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hello

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and welcome to episode number 15 of the

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point of convergence podcast

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as always i am your host exo academian

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believing intelligent non-human life

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exists

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elsewhere in the cosmos is one thing

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that notion

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now has widespread acceptance even

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amongst die-hard scientific materialists

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but believing that non-human

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intelligence is here in our own very

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backyard

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so to speak is something else entirely

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for many that notion flies in the face

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of common sense taking it a step further

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believing widespread accounts of alien

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human contact

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and even of abductions of people from

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the cozy comfort of their bedrooms

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in the middle of the night is for a

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large portion of the population

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but as if that weren't already a lot to

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try to cognize

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there is yet another key piece to the

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mythos of the ufo phenomenon

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that demands to be reckoned with i speak

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of the notion of

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alien human hybrids beings apparently

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already in our midst walking amongst us

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whose very substance

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is a mixture of human and

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extraterrestrial genetic

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material what are we to make of these

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on the one hand our understanding of

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biology screams foul

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surely a life form indigenous to another

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planet not to mention another star

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system altogether for that matter

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is simply not going to be biologically

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compatible with a modern homo sapien

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surely you can no more interbreed an

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extraterrestrial and a human being

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than you can an ant and a rabbit

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and even if that were possible by some

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feat of technological wizardry that we

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just can't fathom

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at this point in our civilization's

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history this simply begs the question

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why why would this even be something a

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supposedly vastly technologically

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alien species would want to do is this a

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science experiment to them

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a game of biological manipulation that

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they play just to see what kinds of

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strange organisms result

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is this something we imagine a superior

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intelligence doing

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doesn't that raise alarms in another

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part of our thinking

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the part that assumes a superior alien

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intelligence would be too highly

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to play such games of course

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both our technological and moral ethical

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superiors perhaps there is a reason

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but one that we simply cannot fathom

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based on our own civilizations rather

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young age and rather modest center of

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or perhaps there is a way we can glean

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the intention behind such activity

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if indeed it is going on as the

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literature behind the ufo phenomenon

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perhaps we can do this second hand as it

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by listening to the very people who have

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stepped forward to claim that they

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themselves

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are walking talking breathing examples

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of these very alien human hybrids we're

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not only do these people exist those who

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claim to be hybrid e.t

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human entities or hubrids as some call

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but they've stepped out from the shadows

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to proclaim they have a message from the

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from which they in part spawn and

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they're saying this is a message that we

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one that is in fact perhaps vitally

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important for the very survival of our

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species

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indeed a message central to the very

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reason for their existence

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an exploration of the evidence and the

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implications behind this notion

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that there is a group of alien human

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hybrids already walking amongst us

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on every continent on the earth is the

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in last week's podcast i read a forward

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written by grant cameron

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to a book titled meet the hybrids the

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lives and missions of et ambassadors

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on earth that book is a major resource

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for today's podcast

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it's written by two people miguel

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miguel mendonca is an anglo-azorian

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background includes the writing of

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textbooks

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articles and papers used by campaigners

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endeavoring for better renewable energy

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consciousness and of course front and

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center in our discussion today

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his co-author who we've mentioned before

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often in contrast to david jacobs who

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is best known in this field for her

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extensive body of work as a regression

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california and is also a licensed

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psychotherapist she has worked with over

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referencing 2 600 different

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extraterrestrial encounters

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she is a leading expert within the field

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of et human

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hybridization now for those of you

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about john mack

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also mentioned david jacobs and

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bud hopkins once again jacobs hopkins

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and mack are central figures in today's

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and i want to quote from the book here

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as we are introduced to david jacobs and

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and how they kicked off the work into

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quote the written study of e.t human

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has been thin up until now with only two

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their entry points methodology and

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have been markedly different the

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earliest major work on the subject

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was the threat by david m jacobs phd

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1988 he examines the et agenda

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detailing what he understands of the

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and concludes that its objectives and

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implications are chilling

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and profoundly ominous making him fear

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conclusions

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in the episode on john mack continuing

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jacobs lays out the history of the field

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it is a fascinating journey beginning

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with a largely technological era

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behaviors of ets

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motivation but there was little reason

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that their evasiveness represented

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of seven abductees which included

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and physical marks hopkins used hypnotic

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in this study he struggles to determine

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conventionally material phenomenon

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which the ets were at pains to impress

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suggestive of deception

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hybrids are a backup plan

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mac lays out the basic components of the

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program number one

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now before we get further into the book

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and the conclusions it draws

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in terms of the nature of these

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hybridization programs and the potential

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ultimate intention of those programs i'd

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like us to talk a little bit about

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how one would verify such things how

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could you begin to verify that hybrids

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even exist

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well first of all there's biological

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markers but let us not forget

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this is not simple to study it is

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expensive and it is difficult to get

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funding for such studies because of the

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taboo nature of this topic

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therefore there essentially is no public

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research into genomic information

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associated with people you would call

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experiencers or hybrids

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now there have been some small studies

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done by people interested in this topic

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but these tend to be very small studies

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and looking into things like

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implants for instance and we'll get to

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more of that later

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something else you could consider in

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terms of verifying that such things

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exist

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is the anecdotal body of evidence in

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other words the experiencer

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and cooperative testimony when we see

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incisions

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implants cuts etc that gives us some

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indication that something biological may

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have happened

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but what's interesting here is again if

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this is an advanced species

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an advanced intelligence we know that

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even with our own efforts

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a single hair will suffice in terms of

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getting genetic

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information our entire genetic

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information can be found in a single

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piece of hair

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a single strand you've even seen

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detective shows where they can even

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recover

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dna material from someone who leaves

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crumbs from a piece of cake behind

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so again that begs the question why

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would an advanced species need to go to

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such

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measures to gain genetic material

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but i digress we'll get to more of that

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now even if there are no obvious genetic

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markers that could be verified by

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objective researchers for instance one

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could also look to special

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behaviors or capacities that these

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hybrids have

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if they can demonstrate capacities that

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the general population does not have

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this would lend credibility to the idea

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that their genetic material has somehow

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been

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now what some people find hard to deal

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with is this notion

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that there could be two within one that

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we could actually not just have a blend

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of material

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that seamlessly creates a new being but

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that we may have

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two different modalities within us or

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that hybrids do anyway

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and something was brought to mind a book

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that i read years ago

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called of two minds the revolutionary

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science of dual brain

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psychology by frederick schieffer an md

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and an assistant clinical professor of

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now interesting and relevant to today's

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discussion

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the following was discovered on patients

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suffering from epilepsy

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where traditional treatments hadn't

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worked and i quote from that book

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the most important idea is that in split

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brain patients there exists

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two intact reasonably intelligent

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autonomous minds

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that is after these patients had had

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their corpus callosum cut

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they each manifest two separate minds

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they become

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in effect two people inhabiting one body

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unquote and the reason i bring up this

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study and the findings that

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dr schieffer found are two-fold number

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one

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it was discovered that actually we

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already operate with effectively

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two minds that the two hemispheres of

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our brain are like two separate minds

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and when people have their corpus

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callosum which connects the two

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hemispheres cut

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which was done to try and treat people

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with severe epilepsy

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it was discovered to a much greater

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degree that these really do function

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like two

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autonomous minds so we have two aspects

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one that you have two autonomous minds

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and secondly that even though you do for

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most of us walking around

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we find a way to seamlessly harmonize

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these two brains these two minds

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to create one identity again that's

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interesting when you think about the

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also in terms of trying to talk about

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how one would

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verify that hybrids exist that

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hybridization programs can actually be

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verified

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on a physiological level we should

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remember that dna evidence is not the

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only way that hybridization may

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work again this is supposedly being done

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by a very sophisticated civilization

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consciousness intelligence they may be

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doing it in a way that we just can't

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find

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evidence of also dna

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seems insufficient in explaining the

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totality of who we are as human beings

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even to us that despite what scientific

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materialism would have you believe

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which insists almost like a promissory

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note that we will find that dna

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describes the fullness of who we are we

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do not actually find that when we

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research

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who someone is and whether or not dna

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can give us the full picture

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some have suggested auras or fields of

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energy that surround the body

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that these may also be central to what

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makes us

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us and in that sense it would be more

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like an energetic

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overlay and what's interesting is this

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is very similar to what the hybrids have

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also highly relevant to today's

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discussion is the podcast episode

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where we discuss the work of dr rudy

446
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shield and dr edgar mitchell

447
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and the notion that the quantum hologram

448
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may actually hold

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all conscious information and in that

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sense who we are

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our core identity our consciousness is

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actually held

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non-locally therefore it's not held

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within the brain as scientific

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materialism would have you believe

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what that also opens up as a possibility

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in terms of today's discussion

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is the idea that our body our brain is

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the hardware so to speak

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that downloads or streams the

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information from the quantum hologram

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and in that sense the fullness of who we

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are might not actually stream down

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not all of it but just parts of it and

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that's interesting for today's

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discussion

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because many of these supposed hybrids

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discuss

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accessing more information about who

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they really are

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a greater degree of information even

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including

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uh identities that are not just human

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and that is accessible

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only when they're in the realm of the

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others for instance on board and et

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craft

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again very interesting opens up

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additional possibilities when we think

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about

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our core identities our histories and

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the fullness of what makes

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now in last week's episode we discussed

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the phenomenon

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known as abduction and how people are

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taken supposedly against their will

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in a very traumatic experience but that

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sometimes

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afterwards when they actually connect

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with the fullness of who they are again

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with a greater sense of memory that they

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can access or stream

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when in the realm of the others they

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remember that actually they volunteered

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for such activity

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perhaps even before they incarnated into

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a human body

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and this book also touches on that as

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this is what one of the supposed hybrids

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had to say

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about abduction versus what we might

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call volunteerism

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i quote when i'm there i'm not tied down

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i know when i'm going it takes place

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first as a light body

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then i materialize up there i'm never

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abducted

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i'm usually visited before i go i see a

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being in my room

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i check in with the energy and we start

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to chat

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either awake or in the next state of

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consciousness

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they don't tell me i'm going it's more

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like an invitation

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i'm always very willing to contribute i

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agree

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then i fall asleep and shift between

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states of consciousness

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then i move through a specific portal

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with the being next to me

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then we go through the portal onto the

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ship i experience it

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astrally but the light body materializes

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as a double

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and they take the energy imprints

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unquote now this is certainly a slightly

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different take

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on the abduction or volunteerism program

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here the person does have a sense that

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they are invited to go

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and give offerings so to speak energetic

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imprints is what this person calls it

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and they volunteer to do this and

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they're fully aware of the entire

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process

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but interestingly and this pertains to

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what we learned about in the free

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experience

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for study this is done astrally so it's

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not so much that their body is going but

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some energetic

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imprint of who they are is what's

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actually going

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and that that energy is then imprinted

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and this becomes part of the

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hybridization program

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this is curious and there are slightly

549
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different details

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depending on which hybrid is speaking

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but there are some commonalities and

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this was just an

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interesting case for us to think about

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and what it means to be a volunteer

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now with this last hybrid supposed

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hybrid

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they described a situation a process

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that was more energetic in nature

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that it was more about energetic

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imprinting but to be sure there are

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other hybrids quoted in the book studied

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in the book

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much more common physiological kind of

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procedure

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that we would see in a hospital in

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modern day

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now let's move on to the rationale for

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this hybrid program

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and the authors mendonka and lam

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actually offer this

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i quote having hybrids present on earth

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helps to raise humankind's frequency so

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that humans can evolve and embrace their

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cosmic family

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and embrace themselves as star beings

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the hybrids are bridges in this way

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with major paradigm shifts taking place

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humanity is evolving into the new human

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this means humankind's dna is changing

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in ways which is allowing them to expand

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in consciousness

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they are being activated by the higher

583
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,919
frequencies and becoming aware

584
00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,679
that they have natural skills and

585
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:01,919
talents which they haven't tapped into

586
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:02,640
before

587
00:21:07,190 --> 00:21:04,320
because they weren't ready to handle

588
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:07,200
them this gives humanity an opportunity

589
00:21:09,990 --> 00:21:08,320
to develop their

590
00:21:12,549 --> 00:21:10,000
natural psychic abilities such as

591
00:21:14,630 --> 00:21:12,559
clairvoyance and clairaudience

592
00:21:16,950 --> 00:21:14,640
more people will be experiencing by

593
00:21:18,070 --> 00:21:16,960
location teleportation and learning how

594
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:18,080
to heal themselves

595
00:21:22,149 --> 00:21:20,240
and others without having to deal with

596
00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:22,159
space-time constraints

597
00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:24,159
many hybrids are already in touch with

598
00:21:31,590 --> 00:21:26,159
these abilities and are using them

599
00:21:34,070 --> 00:21:31,600
to be of assistance to others unquote

600
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:34,080
now in further summarizing the results

601
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,919
of this study of these series of

602
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:37,200
interviews they did

603
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,320
with these hybrids mendonka and lam

604
00:21:44,870 --> 00:21:43,280
have this to say quote two key terms

605
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,880
came up time and time again when

606
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:46,960
discussing the role of the hybrids

607
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:49,919
bridge and ambassador they have slightly

608
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,679
varying applications but there is a

609
00:21:54,789 --> 00:21:53,760
general consensus that a key part of

610
00:21:58,230 --> 00:21:54,799
their mission

611
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,240
is to bridge humans and ets four of them

612
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:00,240
spoke specifically about this

613
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,480
with the term exopolitics and its

614
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:04,080
engaged aspect

615
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,520
exo diplomacy coming into increasing use

616
00:22:11,590 --> 00:22:09,600
the hybrids could be thought of as a key

617
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:11,600
group of exo diplomats

618
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:18,070
and with this notion of bridges and

619
00:22:21,190 --> 00:22:20,000
ambassadors you have the idea that

620
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:21,200
number one

621
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:23,600
these hybrids because they are both et

622
00:22:26,710 --> 00:22:24,559
and human

623
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,720
can serve as translators as it were

624
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,559
between the two different species

625
00:22:32,230 --> 00:22:30,480
that there are some distinct differences

626
00:22:33,669 --> 00:22:32,240
between the two different species

627
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,679
for instance some of these et

628
00:22:38,789 --> 00:22:36,559
civilizations seem to have more of a

629
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:38,799
sort of common mind rather than so

630
00:22:42,070 --> 00:22:40,000
individualistic they

631
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,080
are less dualistic in their thinking in

632
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,480
general and the hybrids help them

633
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:46,640
understand more of who we are as human

634
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:47,280
beings

635
00:22:51,430 --> 00:22:49,440
and how we experience reality because it

636
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,440
can be quite different between the two

637
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:54,640
and that can be a core aspect of this

638
00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,080
process they also serve as ambassadors

639
00:23:01,909 --> 00:23:00,240
meaning that if in the future there is

640
00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:01,919
some sort of mass disclosure

641
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:04,559
and the general population in the world

642
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,799
finds out about these other et species

643
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:08,000
that are here

644
00:23:11,110 --> 00:23:10,000
that these hybrids can serve as

645
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:11,120
ambassadors

646
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:15,280
to hold a dialogue between the two sides

647
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,000
and increase

648
00:23:22,149 --> 00:23:17,679
understanding and make the entire

649
00:23:24,390 --> 00:23:22,159
process much smoother

650
00:23:25,510 --> 00:23:24,400
also in summarizing what they learn from

651
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:25,520
these hybrids

652
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:28,799
mendonka and lam talk about this notion

653
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,120
of

654
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:31,600
ascension that this was a key term that

655
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,360
came up time and time again

656
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,520
and they did a lot of synthesizing work

657
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,799
to try and understand

658
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:38,480
what was really being said from these

659
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:40,640
different hybrids about this notion of

660
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,600
ascension

661
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,080
and quoting from the book quote when

662
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:46,159
attempting to understand the purpose for

663
00:23:49,190 --> 00:23:48,240
et interaction with the earth and its

664
00:23:52,549 --> 00:23:49,200
inhabitants

665
00:23:54,710 --> 00:23:52,559
the one line summary appears to be ets

666
00:23:57,909 --> 00:23:54,720
are creating hybrids to help earth

667
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,919
and humanity evolve this phenomenon

668
00:24:01,990 --> 00:24:00,559
commonly referred to as ascension can be

669
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,000
thought of as a process

670
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:04,720
of physical emotional and spiritual

671
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:09,909
the ets which are creating and

672
00:24:14,789 --> 00:24:11,760
dispatching hybrids to earth

673
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,799
have in most cases already ascended they

674
00:24:19,590 --> 00:24:17,520
are evolved beings who value evolution

675
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,600
and like cosmic missionaries are

676
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:21,279
determined to bring celestial

677
00:24:24,870 --> 00:24:22,080
enlightenment

678
00:24:27,190 --> 00:24:24,880
to others the hybrids have a variety of

679
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:27,200
missions within this larger mission

680
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:29,039
and to help them they incarnate with

681
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,600
various abilities and inclinations

682
00:24:34,630 --> 00:24:33,760
these abilities can be upgraded by the

683
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,640
ets

684
00:24:37,909 --> 00:24:36,880
or the hybrids themselves throughout

685
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:37,919
their journey

686
00:24:42,789 --> 00:24:42,240
unquote now this is a good place to

687
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,799
insert

688
00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,039
a point of distinction several of these

689
00:24:47,430 --> 00:24:46,000
hybrids talk about

690
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,440
there being kind of a galactic

691
00:24:51,750 --> 00:24:49,360
federation which is made up of

692
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:51,760
a variety a group of different et

693
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,880
civilizations

694
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,640
from different planets different star

695
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:57,200
systems even different galaxies

696
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:59,440
which are working together in this

697
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,520
process this endeavor of

698
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,919
helping earth and its inhabitants and

699
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
that here also we have the idea that at

700
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,080
the dawn of the atomic age as we've

701
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:10,559
discussed before on previous podcasts

702
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,880
there was a sense of increased urgency

703
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,600
to help

704
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,919
the world because we were in a perilous

705
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,039
place

706
00:25:21,990 --> 00:25:19,520
but to be sure it's not all benevolent

707
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,000
ets there is also some discussion of

708
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:24,320
some less mature et species

709
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:26,640
who are not necessarily malevolent or

710
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:27,360
evil

711
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:29,279
but just self-serving who have some of

712
00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:30,640
their own

713
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,679
agendas and those are here as well

714
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:34,960
although they are less of the big

715
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:37,039
picture but the

716
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,799
hybrids also make the point that even

717
00:25:43,830 --> 00:25:41,360
these less mature e.t civilizations

718
00:25:45,590 --> 00:25:43,840
are still playing a larger role in the

719
00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:45,600
larger scheme of cooperative

720
00:25:49,269 --> 00:25:48,720
evolving self-discovering cosmos and

721
00:25:51,990 --> 00:25:49,279
that this

722
00:25:53,350 --> 00:25:52,000
too plays into the role of volunteerism

723
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,360
and decisions that are made

724
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:55,840
by us even before we incarnate into

725
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,200
human bodies

726
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,760
again it's a complex tapestry being

727
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:00,799
described here

728
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:07,110
and now i'd like to finish with a few

729
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:08,640
concluding thoughts

730
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:10,080
the first thing i would like to offer

731
00:26:13,110 --> 00:26:12,480
for your consideration is the idea that

732
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:13,120
perhaps

733
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:16,720
everyone is partly hybrid already

734
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,799
and this is somewhat similar to the idea

735
00:26:21,909 --> 00:26:20,960
that perhaps all human beings have

736
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:21,919
actually been

737
00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:24,080
abducted or contacted depending on which

738
00:26:27,269 --> 00:26:25,360
word you prefer

739
00:26:31,350 --> 00:26:27,279
it's just that a minority of us have the

740
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,430
of course there is already plenty of

741
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:35,600
evidence to suggest that well before the

742
00:26:41,269 --> 00:26:37,440
onset of the modern e.t

743
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:41,279
visitation era our dna was manipulated

744
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:44,080
in the distant past a common leading

745
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:44,559
theory

746
00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:47,200
is that it was done by an et species in

747
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,159
our past

748
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:51,360
perhaps ten to twenty thousand years ago

749
00:26:54,789 --> 00:26:52,960
it is commonly believed that the

750
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:54,799
evolutionary process alone

751
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,200
as we currently understand it cannot

752
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,880
account for the sum of who we are

753
00:27:02,789 --> 00:27:01,679
as a species and the massive increase in

754
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:02,799
capacities

755
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:07,679
we developed about 10 000 years ago

756
00:27:11,909 --> 00:27:09,760
now in terms of trying to come to a

757
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:11,919
conclusion as to the veracity

758
00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:13,760
the realness of this supposed

759
00:27:18,149 --> 00:27:15,919
hybridization program

760
00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,159
what other possibilities are there when

761
00:27:21,510 --> 00:27:19,840
we think about all these different

762
00:27:24,149 --> 00:27:21,520
witnesses coming forward

763
00:27:25,590 --> 00:27:24,159
not just to describe contact experiences

764
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:25,600
but to actually describe

765
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
hybridization programs well the other

766
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:30,000
possibilities are things like

767
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,440
cultural inheritance that is the

768
00:27:35,110 --> 00:27:33,520
mockingbird effect that people are just

769
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:35,120
repeating what they've heard and read

770
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,679
elsewhere we could also look at a kind

771
00:27:41,830 --> 00:27:39,360
of mass delusion

772
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:41,840
or perhaps implanted memories on a mass

773
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,960
scale

774
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:44,640
or it could be a mass collective

775
00:27:48,549 --> 00:27:46,399
unconscious effect that we're doing to

776
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:48,559
ourselves somehow

777
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:50,320
those are possibilities but when you

778
00:27:54,389 --> 00:27:52,399
look at occam's razor here

779
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,399
i tend to think that the hybridization

780
00:27:58,710 --> 00:27:56,159
program is largely happening

781
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:58,720
it's real the question is what is the

782
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,840
ultimate meaning behind

783
00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,120
it

784
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:05,279
certainly the hybrids interviewed and

785
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:07,600
described in this book by mendonka and

786
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,080
lamb

787
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:10,320
in the book meet the hybrids give us

788
00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:11,520
some ideas

789
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:13,440
not only as to the nature of these

790
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,880
hybridization programs

791
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:17,120
how it's rolling out so to speak but

792
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:20,000
also the ultimate intention behind it

793
00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,840
and of course this is not the first time

794
00:28:26,870 --> 00:28:24,080
we've come across these ideas

795
00:28:28,950 --> 00:28:26,880
books by sherry wilde and susie hansen

796
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:28,960
described something very similar

797
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,120
both in terms of the process and the

798
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:32,640
ultimate intention

799
00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,880
and that hybridization is not just about

800
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,840
dna that contains two different sources

801
00:28:41,190 --> 00:28:40,559
but it's also about energetic overlays

802
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:41,200
and

803
00:28:50,950 --> 00:28:49,840
talking about capacities that are

804
00:28:52,389 --> 00:28:50,960
increased

805
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,399
that come online for some of these

806
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:54,559
hybrids ultimately what is being

807
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:56,399
described here is an endeavor

808
00:28:59,830 --> 00:28:58,799
that will help the entire human species

809
00:29:04,549 --> 00:28:59,840
ascend

810
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,110
and on that note we've come to the close

811
00:29:10,630 --> 00:29:08,880
of another edition of the point of

812
00:29:12,870 --> 00:29:10,640
convergence podcast

813
00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,880
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814
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,720
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815
00:29:17,909 --> 00:29:16,960
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816
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